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Gulli Message #817, posted at 01:16, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #815
Unregistered user Too bad the site renders horribly on Internet Explorer 5.5, Netscape Communicator 4.75 AND Opera 5.11 on Windows but seems fine on an old Fresco (1.72) and Oregano 1.10 (demo version)

There's probably something not right in the table setup there. Told Microdigital about it right away.

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guy Message #818, posted at 08:25, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #817
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Too bad the site renders horribly on Internet Explorer 5.5, Netscape Communicator 4.75 AND Opera 5.11 on Windows but seems fine on an old Fresco (1.72) and Oregano 1.10 (demo version)

There's probably something not right in the table setup there. Told Microdigital about it right away.

I assume you mean things like
<!--<Table width=100%>-->
and in a different page
...</td>&nbsp;&nbsp;
<td>...
I'm amazed it works in anything. Stll, nice to find a page that breaks IE but not the RISC OS browsers - usually the other way round. What odd stuff the RISCOS browsers must be.
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rich Message #820, posted at 08:44, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #818
Unregistered user You think that's broken? It 403'd earlier in the day, and Paul (Vigay) had someone go in to fix it. All the file names are in caps, so there was no index.html, only INDEX.HTM. Can you say DOS DISC? Anyway, ArgoNet support fixed it, then had a debate about pre-emptively fixing the horizontal nature of the home page (use Internet Exploiter, like even RISC OS fans have to when they're at work, to see how bad it is).
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moss Message #823, posted at 09:59, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #822
Unregistered user Actually, ignoring the look of the site, I think it's all quite exciting. Our last, best hope for RISC OS?
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monkeyson Message #824, posted at 11:11, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #823
Unregistered user On the 'phone yesterday, they said that something would be happening in the next 2-3 days. Actual Omega customers might be getting something in the post.
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moss Message #825, posted at 11:22, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #824
Unregistered user I've got mine ordered through a dealer - I suppose I will get something as well?
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monkeyson Message #828, posted at 12:06, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #827
Unregistered user It was tested on a variety of browsers, and it was discovered that it didn't work!
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TheDoctor Message #832, posted at 15:36, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #830
Unregistered user Having investigated the code a tad further, I'm convinced they are using some sort of
Frontpage/Dreamweaver type package to create the site with and are simply
removing the giveaway meta tags that such programs insert.
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guy Message #834, posted at 16:42, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #832
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Having investigated the code a tad further, I'm convinced they are using some sort of
Frontpage/Dreamweaver type package to create the site with and are simply
removing the giveaway meta tags that such programs insert.

Dreamweaver doesn't break code like this and Front Page is impossible to clean up. You're right about some crappy WYSIWYG tool though, no human would put all that rubbish in - maybe it was Front Page. OTOH, tags are mixed upper/lower case, which betokens hand-crafting. Maybe they created an outline page on a PC and cloned/hand-crafted each actual page with a RISC OS HTML editor?

[Edited by guy at 17:43, 25/10/2001]

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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #835, posted by [mentat] at 19:17, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #816
[mentat]Fear is the mind-killer
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All this speculation about how they created such a mess is fine, but the end result is .. a cheesy unprofessional mess full of gramatical errors.

Anyway, does anyone know what this is all about???:


Anyone know how this SBPC (which, for £600 doesn't even come with the PC processor) of theirs is supposed to go about offering windows compatibility? One presumes that it can't possiblly allow similar functionality to the RiscPC/aleph1 solution that we know (and love?)?

See http://www.microdigital.co.uk/UPSBPC.HTM

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moss Message #836, posted at 19:23, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #835
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All this speculation about how they created such a mess is fine, but the end result is .. a cheesy unprofessional mess full of gramatical errors.

Anyway, does anyone know what this is all about???:


Anyone know how this SBPC (which, for £600 doesn't even come with the PC processor) of theirs is supposed to go about offering windows compatibility? One presumes that it can't possiblly allow similar functionality to the RiscPC/aleph1 solution that we know (and love?)?

See http://www.microdigital.co.uk/UPSBPC.HTM

I don't see the problem - it is expensive, but why are people doubting it can run Windows (like the PC Card?)

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TheDoctor Message #837, posted at 20:53, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #836
Unregistered user I have seen Dreamweaver produce code that would make you cringe, however, your right that it wasn't used, it doesn't have quite the same look to it.

As to their PCI PC card, in some ways it will be far better than the RiscPC PC card in that it will allow the use of a reasonable specced PC.
The drawbacks it has are the extortionate price and the fact that it single tasking.
I think.

[Edited by TheDoctor at 21:54, 25/10/2001]

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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #838, posted by [mentat] at 22:39, 25/10/2001, in reply to message #837
[mentat]Fear is the mind-killer
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I don't see the problem - it is expensive, but why are people doubting it can run Windows (like the PC Card?)


As to their PCI PC card, in some ways it will be far better than the RiscPC PC card in that it will allow the use of a reasonable specced PC.
The drawbacks it has are the extortionate price and the fact that it single tasking.
I think.

Exactly. I think so too, but I just don't know. Presumably they haven't written some flash software that makes it multitask a-la aleph1 stylee so then what? Do you have to re-boot the machine each time? How would you partition the harddisc? Do you have to plug a keyboard and mouse into it directly? How how how what? Hmm....

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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #840, posted by [mentat] at 10:52, 27/10/2001, in reply to message #839
[mentat]Fear is the mind-killer
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Indeed what?
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TheDoctor Message #841, posted at 13:24, 27/10/2001, in reply to message #840
Unregistered user Indeed, there are many questions about it, the answers to which have not yet been made clear!
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guy Message #846, posted at 15:18, 29/10/2001, in reply to message #845
Unregistered user well, most of it :\

"...plans for a Linux port for the Omega sometime early in the new year 2002"
mm... hope that's not counting from 2 AD.

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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #848, posted by [mentat] at 15:40, 29/10/2001, in reply to message #847
[mentat]Fear is the mind-killer
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Were you logged in?
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guy Message #853, posted at 21:56, 29/10/2001, in reply to message #849
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2 AD? Why?
because that would give them a whole year more than those of us who count from 1 AD might expect.

And I was logged in enough to make both postings.

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johnstlr Message #855, posted at 09:38, 30/10/2001, in reply to message #852
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I always thought the Mico was their run-up to the Omega project - the jump between not having built a RISC OS computer and the Mico, and the Mico to the Omega, I would guess was about the same.

In Acorn User they pointed to the Mico as having two uses

1) To gain experience in building a RISC OS machine as there is no manual on the subject

2) To provide a test bed for trying out their ideas such as the lightning graphics card. This is also why they built their own (faster) bus.

The fact that they could then sell it and thus recoup some of the development costs seems to have been a bit of a bonus.

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moss Message #850, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #849
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2 AD? Why?

Amusingly, the page describing their PC Card seems to have gone. Hmmm... Looks like I will never understand quite how that thing was supposed to function. unhappy

Actually, so has the pages relating to the XScale, and all other add-ons...

OK, OK, I admit it. The website is *complete* cack. What they said about it first supposed to be viewed on Acorn browsers is rubbish - some people only have access to people at work, and what if you want to impress your PC owning friends?

BUT, the computer looks cool. It should be here in a couple of weeks. And I'm sure that Microdigital can explain exactly how everything works, and works well - they aren't going to produce something that won't sell. smile

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andrew Message #845, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #844
Unregistered user Yes, hardly worth making a fuss over was it!

gringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringringrin

[Edited by andrew at 14:28, 29/10/2001]

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moss Message #844, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #843
Unregistered user BTW... They've fixed the site smile
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guy Message #847, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #846
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BTW they've fixed the site smile
well, most of it :\

"...plans for a Linux port for the Omega sometime early in the new year 2002"
mm... hope that's not counting from 2 AD.

Why can't I edit the above post?

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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #849, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #847
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2 AD? Why?

Amusingly, the page describing their PC Card seems to have gone. Hmmm... Looks like I will never understand quite how that thing was supposed to function. unhappy

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moss Message #856, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #855
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The fact that they could then sell it and thus recoup some of the development costs seems to have been a bit of a bonus.

Yes, this is the article I was thinking of, but I couldn't remember the details.

mentat - I'll leave the thinking on that piece of hardware to everyone else then smile

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monkeyson Message #851, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #850
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OK, OK, I admit it. The website is *complete* cack. What they said about it first supposed to be viewed on Acorn browsers is rubbish - some people only have access to people at work, and what if you want to impress your PC owning friends?

I think MicroDigital were being ironic.


BUT, the computer looks cool. It should be here in a couple of weeks. And I'm sure that Microdigital can explain exactly how everything works, and works well - they aren't going to produce something that won't sell. smile

What about the Mico??? smile

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moss Message #852, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #851
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I think MicroDigital were being ironic.

If they were, I'm impressed. wink

BUT, the computer looks cool. It should be here in a couple of weeks. And I'm sure that Microdigital can explain exactly how everything works, and works well - they aren't going to produce something that won't sell. smile

What about the Mico??? smile

I always thought the Mico was their run-up to the Omega project - the jump between not having built a RISC OS computer and the Mico, and the Mico to the Omega, I would guess was about the same.

And the Medi doesn't count, since it never had a production run and came to market.

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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #854, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #853
[mentat]Fear is the mind-killer
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Guy - Why not 4 AD then dude? wink

IIRC You don't have to be logged in to make a posting, but you do if you want to edit one.

Jake - I think the phrase "What about the mico" about sums that up. wink

Moss - They don't answer remote queries and rarely appear at shows, so I was wondering if any of the regulars here could shed light on that mysterious piece of hardware.

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moss Message #815, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002
Unregistered user I see the Microdigital website has been redone... they promised the Omega mid-October... does this mean it's finally coming? shock
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moss Message #843, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #842
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Quite... which is why I asked if anyone had some inklings they could share... I guess by the lack of response that no-one does (or they're all in bed). I would email the perpetrators (M-D) but I've long since gotten wise to that mistake tongue

Any ideas?

"moss"?

Don't ask me - I just assumed the card worked like a standard PC card, and I wasn't aware there would be any problems. I can't afford it anyway - I'd probably just buy a cheap PC, because... well, it's cheaper. tongue

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