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acornwizz (18:00 28/10/2002)
Dave (14:49 29/10/2002)
acornwizz (18:04 29/10/2002)
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Chris Clark |
Message #86457, posted by acornwizz at 18:00, 28/10/2002 |
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i am ahving problems locating riscos 3.7 and 4 roms to download to run the emulator. do you know where i can get these without owning a acorn? |
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Dave Sloan |
Message #86458, posted by Dave at 14:49, 29/10/2002, in reply to message #86457 |
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Well, it's not a surprise, as it's illegal. Downloading 3.7 or 4 wouldn't do you any good, anyway, as there isn't an emulator capable of this in so far as I can tell. Red Squirrel et al can run 3.1 roms, but I think that you have to own some actual roms to legally own the ripped versions of them. It's like downloading games for an N64 emulator or whatever - you have to own the game to legally own the rom image. |
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Chris Clark |
Message #86459, posted by acornwizz at 18:04, 29/10/2002, in reply to message #86458 |
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OK But Red Squirrel 0.5 Says it can take 3.7 4 rom sets? |
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The Doctor |
Message #86460, posted by fwibbler2 at 12:46, 30/10/2002, in reply to message #86459 |
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Yes it can. In the same way, my PC (which I rarely use!) can take Windows 2000 and XP etc.. That doesn't mean it's legal for me to download them from some warez site for nothing. The RISC OS market is very small and /any/ piracy of the operating system and it's software can have a significant and detrimental effect on it. Thats why you won't (hopefully) find anyone willing to help you pirate the OS (certainly not OS 4 or above) or it's software. The situation with RISC OS 3.1 may be slightly different (in a turning a blind eye sort of way) but I personally don't know where you'd get that either. I've nothing against Red Squirrel or it's author but the emulator does seem to be encouraging people to pirate the OS and Software to a certain extent.
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Chris Clark |
Message #86461, posted by acornwizz at 00:24, 3/11/2002, in reply to message #86460 |
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OK mate i do understand the law but i can't find a godd acorn for a reasonable price because as im sure i can tell you there is nothing like the real thing as the emulator's suck as you can't stably emulate a RISC processor.I was simply wondering what kind of people use this forum.I live in southampton down south so if u jnow any acorn dealers down here or where u live then please tell me? I do apologise for the prate out there but u and an army cant stop them after all i's only because they can that they do!! Yours Sincerly Chris Clark
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Andrew Poole |
Message #86462, posted by andypoole at 14:33, 3/11/2002, in reply to message #86461 |
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If you really want to emulate it, get VirtualAcorn from www.virtualacorn.co.uk where you get a better emulator than red squirrel, and you get the RISC OS 3 roms with it, along with a load of software. Even better still, look on usenet, ebay etc for the real thing, or buy a new machine from Castle, RiscStation or MicroDigital. |
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Dave Sloan |
Message #86463, posted by Dave at 23:16, 5/11/2002, in reply to message #86462 |
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Grief, they've come on a long way fast. However, it remains illegal, and there's precious little money going back to developers as it stands, so I doubt anyone will help you get hold of the stuff. Buy an A3000 or whatever on Ebay - they can't be too expensive!
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Tom |
Message #86464, posted by technolion at 11:07, 8/8/2003, in reply to message #86463 |
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now what difference to the Acorn market does it make to get the ROMs versus buying a used Acorn? Is there going to be any hardware sales? Come on guys, let's face it. There is never going to be a revival of the old Risc OS days... It's too outdated. In my opinion the only way to revive the scene is promote emulators and the free release of ROMs. Think about the C=64. I think the C64 scene is now still somewhat active because of the emulators and there are certainly more emulators than real mchines in use today. Just my 2 EuroCents... |
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Jason Tribbeck |
Message #86465, posted by tribbles at 15:47, 8/8/2003, in reply to message #86464 |
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now what difference to the Acorn market does it make to get the ROMs versus buying a used Acorn?Is there going to be any hardware sales? There are still machines being developed, and OSses being licensed... Think about the C=64. I think the C64 scene is now still somewhat active because of the emulators and there are certainly more emulators than real mchines in use today. ..which is different to the C=64 - Commodore (and the people who bought the rights) aren't producing any new C=64 hardware* any more. There are 3 different RISC OS machine manufacturers [between 1 and 3, depending on your personal POV]). Since they have to pay for their RISC OS license, they probably believe that you should too. * Yes, I have seen the new C=64 hardware based on FPGAs, but they're not paying for a license. |
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Andrew |
Message #86466, posted by andreww at 22:20, 26/2/2004, in reply to message #86465 |
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Selling RISC OS by the pound!  |
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Luca |
Message #86467, posted by nodoubt at 08:11, 28/5/2004, in reply to message #86466 |
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OK mate i do understand the law but i can't find a godd acorn for a reasonable price because as im sure i can tell you there is nothing like the real thing as the emulator's suck as you can't stably emulate a RISC processor.
try ebay, especially ebay UK. There are lotsa
Acorn systems for sale, and some really are
good deals. Also ebay.de got some. Few on
ebay.it
You can get a Rpc600, then find 3.7 roms cheap. Try it!
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Philip Webster |
Message #86468, posted by pw at 13:27, 5/6/2004, in reply to message #86467 |
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A slightly more realistic viewpoint:
1) Let's consider the audience for these emulators. Considering that the vast majority of internet users will have never even heard of RISC OS, the only people who will download emulators are old Acorn users who disposed of their machines, or curious retro-fans who found a link on a site offering other system emulators.2) Neither group is going to pay the (very high) price of a new RISC OS machine. Hell, I certainly wouldn't, and I still use RISC OS, still buy upgrades, etc. Old Acorn fans will most likely just get a second hand system from Ebay or local classified ads, and retro-fans will only use RISC OS out of curiosity or as part of a collection of historial data. 3) As has already been pointed out, second-hand machines don't provide much income for the 'scene' as it exists now. You can get pretty much anything being sold on commercial sites for much less on Ebay. 4) To the outside world, people are likely to think that the Acorn/RISC OS scene is dead. 5) Interesting question: Why are 10+ year old games being sold for so much money? Would there be less so-called 'piracy' if all the old Superior and 4D games were sold on a retro compilation CD for a REASONABLE sum? My local branch of GAME does something similar with Amiga games. There may be more sales that way than to desperately cling on to the possibility of the Acorn market making any real money at all.
Sell many at a low per-unit price, or sell very few at a high per-unit price. The last remnants of the Acorn market have chosen the latter, when arguably the former would yield higher commercial success.
While it is true that RISC OS ROM images are not widely available on the Web, note that Internet != Web. There are plenty of other places to look, and yes, RISC OS 3.11 and RISC OS 3.7 are easily obtained. Generally speaking, the 'modern' versions (4,5) aren't.
However, these ROM images are not of interest to emulation users anyway as a lot of the unauthorised copies of Acorn games are of software which is so old that it doesn't even RUN on newer RISC OS versions. Note also that some former commercial games are now available for free thanks to the generosity of the original authors. Emulation does not always imply 'piracy' (which is a ridiculous emotive term anyway - call it what it is: copyright violation). |
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Andrew |
Message #86469, posted by andreww at 18:57, 9/6/2004, in reply to message #86468 |
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The ROMs are intellectual property which constitute a great part of the RISC OS operating system today which is alive and expanding. Thus it is far from the point at which we can say it is dead nor declining.
Why should we allow our OS in view of this to become jeopardised for nothing more than a brief distraction to people who know little of it or care little for it?
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Dave Sloan |
Message #86470, posted by Dave at 13:57, 15/6/2004, in reply to message #86469 |
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The simple solution is this: If there is sufficient demand for an emulator, one will be produced. That emulator should licence the older operating systems (I'm talking ROS 2 and early 3 here) from their copyright holders for some fee (a nominal fee like 5-10ukp/copy sold would probably be all it would take) sending some revenue back to the people working on the OS. For higher end users the Virtual Acorn option exists. If you copy roms illegally, demand for such an emulator reduces, copies of such an emulator dwindle and hence money is not being given to the people who took the time to make the OS. The site policy is dead simple: Do not do anything illegal. Do not give advice / aid here to people doing or wishing to partake in illegal activity. I've seen sites come and go, shut down for this kind of stuff, and I don't want it to happen here. As regards old games, Phlamethrower (Jeffrey Lee) et al (honourable mention to Jason 'Iron Lord' Tribbeck too) are doing a sterling job getting legal copies available. Outside of the shop, which isn't really run by us, we have absolutely no commercial arm, so we aren't going to get involved in licencing and selling old games. If you're interested in getting a bunch of old games together for cheap sale on CD or whatever, best of luck to you, talk to APDL or someone. They've already got a few collections out for about seven quid. TBA have a collection still available, iSV products (APDL again) have got StarFighter, the options really are out there. We've got PD games here available for free, alongside our ex-commercial games. All in all the Acorn scene always gave away a lot for free and you're more than welcome to take advantage of that. In summary: There are legal ways to do all of this, ways that give money back to the rightful copyright owners in a scene desperately starved of investment. I don't want to get into a pricing argument about this, but to say "I want a banana, but I want it for 3 pence, not a pound" wouldn't get you very far at the supermarket. These people aren't saying "you can't have it", they're saying "pay us for it". And for god's sake don't mess up AA. We all do this for free and we've got people a lot out of it |
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Jason Tribbeck |
Message #86471, posted by tribbles at 10:49, 18/6/2004, in reply to message #86470 |
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(honourable mention to Jason 'Iron Lord' Tribbeck too) Me? Apart from the freely downloadable ROM images that were available on my web site (until Redbus took the power away), I ain't done nuffin guv, honest! |
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Dave Sloan |
Message #86472, posted by Dave at 15:11, 18/6/2004, in reply to message #86471 |
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I thought you were the one who put ironlord here for download etc? |
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Jeffrey Lee |
Message #86473, posted by Phlamethrower at 17:41, 18/6/2004, in reply to message #86472 |
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No, that was Jason Togneri. |
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Dave Sloan |
Message #86474, posted by Dave at 00:02, 21/6/2004, in reply to message #86473 |
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Ah b****cks. Apologies to both. Too many damned Jasons... |
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Jason Tribbeck |
Message #86475, posted by tribbles at 07:54, 21/6/2004, in reply to message #86474 |
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Ah b****cks. Apologies to both. Too many damned Jasons... There aren't that many in the RISC OS community  |
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